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- Michelle Obama and her brother Craig Robinson welcomed Sterling K. Brown and his wife, Ryan Michelle Bathé, on the latest episode of their “IMO” podcast.
- The former first lady opened up about the state of her marriage to former president Barack Obama now that the couple’s children are adults.
- “The level of muscle Barack and I have in our marriage is earned,” Michelle explained.
Michelle Obama revealed that she and former president Barack Obama are still in adjustment period after their daughters, Sasha and Malia, moved away from home.
“Our kids are grown. They’re out,” the former first lady said on Wednesday’s episode of her “IMO” podcast, which she co-hosts with her brother, Craig Robinson. This week, they welcomed actor Sterling K. Brown and his wife, actress Ryan Michelle Bathé.
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“We’re looking at each other like, ‘Hey, I remember you.’ Now I’m not mad about anything. I don’t need you to do anything for me,” Michelle explained of her relationship with her husband, who she’s been married to for over 30 years.
“It’s a new phase, which takes time.” She added. “We’re in a new phase of life.”
Michelle also shared that Barack is on a journey of self-discovery now that their children are adults.
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“I’m doing the same thing,” Michelle said. “That’s a whole new assignment that you have to factor in. Now we’re doing this, and we’re back to just me and him. It takes time.”
The bestselling author added that she and Barack have endured “hard” times in their marriage “because of the kids.”
“Without them, a lot of the hard things don’t come up,” Michelle said. “When those beautiful, lovely kids we all want show up with their own agendas and their own needs, it’s the first major joint project you have to do together.”
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“Part of the reason why I talk about it being hard is not because I don’t love my husband and we have a wonderful relationship,” Michelle continued. “We’ve been married 30-plus years. Something works. If you don’t let people know about the tough times, I think they quit too soon.”
She also detailed the importance of working through rough patches in a relationship.
“That’s why I say things like you can go through ten bad years in a 30 year marriage and that’s still great odds,” Michelle said. “In any long relationship, there is going to be years, months, hours of time where things just don’t feel right. You don’t quit on it. You dig deeper. And if you don’t dig deeper, you miss all the stuff on the end.”
“The level of muscle Barack and I have in our marriage is earned,” she concluded. “It’s earned over time and it’s only gotten better. That the point. It only gets better. We’ve done the work.”


